Got it thanks Sam

From: Sam Broad [mailto:1832sfb@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2008 08:46
To: Viv Forbes
Subject: Re: Renewable Energy - the great Mirage.

Thank you for your email Viv,

Get your self a Copy of the

Herald Sun and look for page 27

on Sunday 24 Aug 08.

The heading

Jolt for power charges.

They did not put this one on the web

I had a look and it was not there.

But; I will type it out and email a copy.

Sam Broad.

     ----- Original Message -----

     From: Viv Forbes

     To: Sam Broad

     Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:28 PM

     Subject: Renewable Energy - the great Mirage.

     Dear Sam

     Would you please spread this around friends, associates, politics and the media.

     For those interested in getting regular updates on the growing world-wide opposition to Emissions Trading, carbon
     taxes, green energy and all the paraphernalia of the Global Warming Hysteria we recommend two reports:

           1.     “CCNet” a scholarly electronic network edited by Benny Peiser. To subscribe, send an e-mail to:
              listserver@livjm.ac.uk ("subscribe cambridge-conference").

           2.     “The Week that Was” a regular report by Professor Fred Singer. Requests for subscriptions to:
              singer@sepp.org

     Thank you for the many responses we had to our “Beijing Smog” article. They overloaded me and the computer and
     “upgrades” of both are in progress.

     Regards

     Viv Forbes

     The Carbon Sense Coalition today accused governments and media of spreading myths on the
     ability of “renewables” to supply Australia’s future electricity.

     The Chairman of “Carbon Sense” Mr Viv Forbes said there was no chance that wind, solar, hydro
     and geothermal could supply 20% of Australia’s electricity by 2020 without massive increases in
     electricity costs and severe damage to Australia’s industry and standard of living. “The belief that we
     can go further and eliminate coal from our energy supply is a dangerous delusion.”

     Wind and solar suffer three fatal flaws which no amount of research dollars, climate junkets, green
     papers, government gifts, carbon taxes, ministerial statements or imperial mandates will change.

     The first fatal flaw is obvious even to children at school – no wind turbine or solar panel anywhere in
     the world can supply continuous power.

     Power from wind turbines varies with the wind speed, stops when the wind drops and they have to
     be shut down in strong winds, storms or cyclones.

     Solar power stops at night or when it is cloudy, and solar panels only supply maximum power around
     midday, in summer, in the tropics.

     The output of both wind and solar varies or shuts down with little warning; this causes big problems
     in maintaining stability in large power grids. Thus any power grid with more than 10% supplied by
     wind and solar will risk sudden blackouts or damaging fluctuations. To maintain stable power
     requires that every kilowatt of solar or wind is shadowed by standby power (preferably gas or hydro)
     ready to switch on to full power in a very short time. The capital and operating cost of these standby
     facilities should be added to the real cost of “green power”.

     The second fatal flaw with wind and solar is that the supply of energy is very dilute, so a large area of
     land is required to collect significant power. This causes extensive environmental and scenic
     damage and very large transmission and maintenance costs.

     The third fatal flaw of wind and sun power is that only a few places are ideally suited to collect
     significant quantities of energy, and these places are often far from the main centres of population.
     Solar power is best collected from places like the Tanami Desert in Northern Territory, and wind
     power is best collected from places in the path of the Roaring Forties, such as King Island and
     Western Tasmania. It will be a long time before either of these sites is connected by high voltage
     power lines to Penny Wong’s desk in Canberra or the PM’s Lodge in Sydney.

     Wind power is useful for providing stock water and moving sailing ships; using solar hot water
     heaters makes good sense; and solar energy (combined with harmless carbon dioxide from the air
     and minerals from the soil) provides the primary resources for all farming, forestry, fishing and
     grazing industries. But neither wind nor sun will supply economical and reliable base load electricity
     to big cities or industries.

     Hydro power can provide low cost stable energy providing it is backed by a large dam in a reliable
     rainfall area. Finding such spots where approvals could be obtained in a reasonable time frame is
     almost impossible in Australia. Hydro will not keep the lights on for a growing population.

     Natural gas and coal seam gas are hydro-carbon fuels which produce the same two “greenhouse
     gases” as coal and oil – water vapour and carbon dioxide. They too will be crippled by Emissions
     Trading and carbon taxes. When the Luddites realise that gas is also a non-renewable carbon fuel, it
     too will be taxed and regulated to death. It is not a “renewable” and it is less abundant than coal. It is
     far too valuable to be mandated for base-load electricity generation or city hot water systems.

     This leaves geothermal – a totally unproven technology likely to have very high costs for exploration,
     development, transmission and water. It is worth investigating by people prepared to speculate their
     capital, but geothermal will not prevent the power brownouts on the horizon unless someone
     abandons the misguided “crucify carbon” campaign.

     With nuclear power and oil shale banned, and plans to tax coal, oil and gas out of existence, man is
     headed back to the “green” energy sources of the Dark Ages – muscles, horses, firewood and
     sunshine.

     But without carbon fuels to bring heat, light, food, transport and water to our large cities, many
     people will not survive the transition to green nirvana, especially if the current global cooling trend
     continues.

     (747 words)

     For more comment on the mirage of renewables see: “Sand in the Gears” a submission to the
     federal enquiry into Mandatory Renewable Energy Schemes.

     http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/sand-in-the-gears.pdf

     Viv Forbes

     Chairman

     The Carbon Sense Coalition

     MS 23           Rosewood        Qld      4340

     0754 640 533

     info@carbon-sense.com
     www.carbon-sense.com.